For the past 14 years, I have been an actor in Hollywood. As with the career of any actor (famous, infamous, or unknown), it has been a roller coaster of ups, downs, victories, and losses. There is a reason why most parents would not encourage their child to become an actor. It is, at best, a completely unpredictable affair and most certainly not a meritocracy. When people ask me what it’s like to work as an actor in Hollywood, my best answer goes something like this – imagine the superficial, social politics of junior high…and with that, you have the key, critical success factors necessary to excel in Hollywood. Basically, it’s the exact opposite moral values that mom and dad tried to teach you as a kid. When asked what it’s like to be an Asian American actor in Hollywood, my best answer is – imagine being a white guy, going to China to be an actor, and expecting to have a career like Chow Yun Fat. Good luck round eye.


I once saw an interview with William H. Macy. One question he answered made me sit up and take note. He was asked what the greatest challenge/frustration for him was as an actor. His answer – “deep down inside, I feel like Tom Cruise…I know I can kick ass, get the girl, etc. However, because I look like Howdy Doody, I will never get do Tom Cruise roles. I only get to do roles that Hollywood thinks I look right for…Howdy Doody ones.” (or something to that effect). which leads me to my thoughts about the Asian American guy in Hollywood and what Hollywood expects of him…
Over the course of more than a decade, my professional values have been influenced by specific projects and the unique experiences that resulted from them. What roles I’m willing to do, what project I would be willing to work on, and the film legacy I wish to leave behind (no matter how sparse) and how do I wish to be remembered professionally has been shaped by one particular, independent film that I was lucky enough to be a part of: Better Luck Tomorrow. Prior to BLT, my experience in Hollywood was pretty typical for a working, Asian American actor. I worked quite a bit and lucked into a good number of decent roles in movies, TV shows, and commercials. I wasn’t a star nor was I famous, but I was making a solid living and was always busy. But upon reflection, 90+% of the roles that I was fortunate enough to get could not have existed without a very specific asian reason within the story line. More simply put, there had to be an Asian reason to justify my presence and existence on screen (ie. Jet Li has a cousin, the Chinatown episode, white guy encounters gang members in alley, the William Hung biopic, etc.). My presence facilitates the story line and the main actors journey through it. But my presence is not crucial to the heart of the story…basically you’re the asian set dressing that the main characters have to navigate through in order to make their adventure seem more interesting. This is not anything new. Just about every single Asian American that you see on screen on American movies or tv shows today is there for a very specific asian reason (yes, i do know there are exceptions…but they are very, very few). They don’t exist as most Asian Americans exist in America today: as real, three dimensional, everyday people. I don’t wake up every morning, look in the mirror and say, “wow, it’s great to be asian today”. Yet when it comes to American media and those who create it, the asians on screen have to be justified through some sort of asian reason.
Unlike a number of my Asian American acting peers, my professional successes (stuff that I’ll be proud to reflect upon prior to my death) had virtually nothing to do with mainstream Hollywood directors, producers, studio heads, and casting directors believing in me, fighting for me, and creating opportunities for me in their mainstream Hollywood projects. There is a specific way that the Hollywood system works to nurture, cultivate, and advance the careers of it’s leading man assets – I was never a part of that development pool. Whatever career success I have (again, stuff that I’ll be proud to reflect upon prior to my death) has been a direct result of teaming up with a group of highly-talented Hollywood outsiders and creating projects that find a backdoor entrance into the Hollywood mainstream. The projects that have given my career the most meaning, the most pride, and the most significant public impact are projects that Hollywood would never have made (at least not with Asian Americans in the main roles). If I relied on Hollywood to give me career pride and satisfaction, I’d be waiting for a bus that would never show. Remember, just like William H. Macy, I am Howdy Doody (with an Asian twist)… so no Tom Cruise for me.
Go with the flow. If you want to work a lot in Hollywood projects as an Asian American actor, just go with the flow. The majority of opportunities in Hollywood for the Asian American male revolve around a handful of archetypes that have been around for years. If you look like those archetypes or you get good at playing into them, you’ll have a long and prosperous career. But at what cost? Now I don’t profess to know what’s right or wrong. In fact, I’m in full support of people doing whatever they want to do…but you better do it well. If you’re going to play Long Duk Dong on screen, you best whip out your best Dong and rock it 150%. No reason not to hit a home run, right? At the end of the day, I think it’s all about personal choice. If you can justify your choices and live with what results, then it’s the right choice for you. So what’s my choice? My choice is to try and be a part of projects where my role in them does not have to be justified with an Asian reason. But this has not been easy. By making such a choice, I have seen my pool of potential work reduced by 80-90%. My phone rings a heck of a lot less and I find myself not working as much as I would like. But for me, the choice is clear and I can live with the results. I don’t know if my choice is right or wrong. It just feels right. It just feels right to me.
Which leads me to Red Dawn. It’s being remade by MGM and it’s going to begin shooting in a matter of days. The original Red Dawn came out in 1984 and starred Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen. Basic premise – “The Russian and Cubans invade America. Midwestern high school kids band together to form a resistance, The Wolverines. High school kids learn to become soldiers and KILL THE SHIT OUT OF THEM RUSSIAN AND CUBAN INVADING MOTHER FUCKERS!” Personally, I loved the original film from 1984 (probably b/c I’m not Russian nor Cuban). As for the remake…well here goes. Basic premise – “The Chinese invade America. Midwestern high school kids band together to form a resistance, The Wolverines. High school kids learn to become soldiers and KILL THE SHIT OUT OF THEM CHINESE INVADING MOTHER FUCKERS!” To be fair, the Russians are involved as well, but in a minor way (man, those Russians never get off the hook).
So this past Friday my phone rings and it’s my agent. My agent tells me that the Red Dawn production wishes for me to be present for the studio, all-cast table read. Big budget, Hollywood movies usually have a studio, all-cast table read a few days prior to the beginning of principle photography…it’s a very big deal. It’s usually the first time all the stars get to meet and be in the same room as the heads of the studios (it’s also the last time until the world premier). Needless to say I was very, very excited. I thought I was being offered a role in the movie. Now, just FYI…I’m not a big fan of the Red Dawn remake and after reading the script I am even less of a fan. That being said, it’s pretty damn cool to be offered a role for a movie even though you don’t think much of the project. You can always turn it down, right? Well, to my surprise, it was an offer – an offer to sit in and read for the main Asian bad guy (already cast but he’s in Africa on another project and can’t make the studio, all-cast table read) and to read every other Chinese role in the script (all my dialogue would be in Chinese). Totally, totally retarded.
My agents were very excited. They wanted me to do it. They thought it would be a great opportunity for someone like me because I’ll be able to meet and perform in front of the likes of Tom Cruise, Paula Wagner, and other powerful white people. I, on the other hand, was not excited at all. My agents did not understand why I did not want to do it. Now for me, in regards to my acting career, I try to make the best decision I can with the information that I have at that particular moment for any project. If the pros outweigh the cons, I do it. If the cons outweigh the pros, I pass. In this particular situation, the cons far outweighed the pros. It was very clear to me I would pass. My agents, however, could not understand why I would pass. In fact, they pressed me really hard for an entire day, trying to find a way to elicit a yes. My answer from the beginning was very clear and very simple. It was…
Of course I wish to meet the likes of Tom Cruise and Paula Wagner. But I want them to see me at my best, performing material that will inspire, not fulfill a stereotypical expectation. Basically they’re asking me to come in as a replacement reader, perform the one note Chinese bad guy with my Mandarin abilities, and have the entire cast of white people (ok, there’s supposedly one, hot asian american cheerleader that’s part of the Wolverine pack) yell and scream “death to the Chinese!” directly at me for 2 hours.
This situation is not unique, btw. I have encountered this before over the years on projects very similar with people of similar Hollywood status. I was younger back then so I felt like I had to say yes just to pay my dues. But the feeling was always the same when I went: shame. They invite you in for an asian need, you fulfill that asian expectation, and at the end, they shake your hand, tell you how amazing you were, say, “I owe you one”, and then kick you out of the clubhouse. At the end of the day, because of the role you’re brought in for, the perception of your potential is severely limited. Much more limited than being called in to read 2 lines as a coffee barista or airplane pilot…at least with those roles you’re just being human, you’re not being pre-pigeonholed as the “asian reason”. In this particular situation, the cards are too stacked against you. And trust me, if they asked for me to come into this studio, all-cast table read for just 2 lines as the coffee barista, I’d probably have said yes. Give me 2 lines as that coffee barista and I’ll come in and rock it with pride in front of Tom Cruise. I’ve said yes to less.
My agents did not get this. I said “no” to them at 10 am, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, & 5pm (that’s how many times we discussed it). Each time my answer was exactly the same as it was the first time they asked me at 10 in the morning. I was very clear. I never wavered. Yet at the end of business day Friday, my agents were extraordinarily angry with me. They believe I blew this thing totally out of proportion and that I squandered a big opportunity. And btw, my agents did not hook up this thing, the casting office for Red Dawn called independently and unsolicited, looking for my skilled, chinese-reading services. This totally bummed me out for the entire weekend because I genuinely like my agents. They are some of the most forward thinking, progressive-minded white people I have worked with in my career. I’m really not sure what happened. Perhaps they promised the Red Dawn office that I would take part prior to even asking me. I don’t know. Nonetheless there is a serious rift between me and my agents now. I wouldn’t be surprised if we parted ways professionally later this week. Which sucks, cause at the very least, if we were to part ways, at least have it be over something worthy of a divorce…like a real project, a real role, a real offer. Not for “replacement reader for table read who can speak chinese” who can sing and dance for Tom Cruise & Co. Totally, totally retarded…
I think I’m going to take a vacation. Or become a dentist…










Best post you’ve put up so far. But pick the vacation over dental school. You don’t know what people have been putting in their mouths.
Fuck the table read and your agents if they don’t get it. At the end of the day it’s a personal choice. They should know better. This town is built on myths so people can shit on others.
This post is very upsetting.
Roger, you rule!
Hollywood bites. You deserve better! I applaud you.
I admire your stance and your unwavering conviction. You’re still Roger to me.
Dude, good post. And totally agree with you…. Way to take a stand and hopefully, your agents will simmer down and you guys will see eye to eye again.
Nice piece. I admire your principals. BTW: dentists have a high suicide rate!
Roger, I am sorry that you were put in this position and your decision has put a strain on your professional relationships. Thank you for being conscience in the presentation of yourself and Asian Americans. I too, am constantly left speechless when some of my progressive white friends suddenly “not get it” and suggest that I’m taking situations way out of proportion. I admire your levelheaded response. Refusing to let the glam and the bling cloud your judgment and self respect. I hope when I’m in a situation which pushed my integrity, I will react with your strength and clarity.
Roger, your point is well-taken and I applaud your standing for your principles but I find your use of the word “retarded” offensive and totally outdated. I have done work with the Disabled Writers program at the WGA and a similar program at SAG, and these groups are fighting the same kind of prejudices. That word is absolutely not acceptable anymore as slang.
you’re a good man, charlie brown. that’s quite a tale and the strength of your conviction is inspiring.
Came across your blog through a link at angryasianman.com I must say that it was quite an emotional read. Stay strong and don’t lose faith in your belief. Screw the hollywood system, you guys will find a way to get past that eventually
you will always have my full support! usually I just download movies, but whenever there good asian american movies like Better luck tomorrow or Finishing the game come out, I BOUGHT them
Roger, you rock.
You are a true role model, Roger, thank you for representing our community so well!
You did the right thing, I believe. Someday, Asians will be properly portrayed in the media. I strongly believe that. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but you are doing your part to take us in that direction. So thank you for your decison and this post.
I remember you talking about this @ Bleu. Even though I’m not filled with vodka, as I was Saturday, your story still sounds just as eloquent and passionate. I think it’s time to quit acting and escape the Grid with us to Mongolia. Marmot ranching is calling our names…
This was incredible to read about, and I really respect you for sticking to what you thought was right. Thanks for sharing.
Rog, seriously, you’re my hero.
you are too awesome, glad you did what you felt was right. takes a lot to stand your ground like that. you have my support!
Roger, you are a true man of principle. I respect your decision to decline this read if you found it disprectful to your heritage. I hope you are not blacklisted because you decline this stand in read. Justin Lin and John Cho has to back you up on your work ethic and abilities. Keep pushing and auditioning for those respectable acting gigs. I know it is competitive and you probably have to compete with your fellow Asian actors like Will Yun Lee, Rick Yune. and James Kyson Lee who are getting more roles. I respect you more for speaking out on this and perhaps this can change some attiudes in Hollywood brother.
I have an anecdote related to the casting process: a few months ago, I was asked to send in tape for the role originally played by C. Thomas Howell by my LA manager. The breakdown said, roughly, they wanted someone who sort of embraced the whole geek/nerd/tech thing, because it was hip (see Shia Labouf’s roommate from Transformers 2).
I’m one of those so called “rare looking” asian guys (there are a lot of other things I’ve been called) and was advised by a good industry friend of mine not to play it geeky, but play it straight. I left the recording session knowing I gave it my best shot, but since then wondered WTF happened. My theory is they wanted someone besides the Asian Cheerleader character to deflect the racism fairy, by getting a Asian American dude who looked like he lived in the Heartland and was your friend because he fixed your ipod. This was new to me, seeing the acceptance carrot layered so thickly with other stuff. The system is always at work.
It’s good to see the communty supports you, Roger, because you represent. Your perspective, clarity and decisive attitude are rare things in this industry
Thanks for sharing. Nice introspective. You should follow it up with what happened with your agents. At the very least, direct them to this blog. I think all AAPI’s have shared a variant on your experiences in their own professions, and believe me, your stance does matter, and does contribute, and hopefully will make a difference. Thanks also for supporting DisOrient, where I’ve enjoyed your appearances.
BTW, what’s with the hairdo in the Verizon commercial?
Good for you Rog.. you go and do what’s right for Roger! As long as you’re doing that, you’re doing the right thing.
you’re probably in the most tenuous position right now in your career, and you’re opting for the braver (less traveled) path. i never really got the chance to get to know you all too well — but my respect for you has just skyrocketed, roger. (and thanks again for the tips on Acting 101 back on the set for BLT.)
Thumbs up dude for sticking by your beliefs.
Dude! Your fellow Brown University alum have got to be proud of that move…Good luck!
Keep fighting the good fight, brotha!
Great read. Proud of you Roger. You did the right thing, though I’m sure it’s been difficult. We support you man.
Roger Fan is a hero. It is because he makes these difficult choices and excercises his convictions that he is an “artist” and not merely an “actor”. Asian America should be grateful that this artist represents, sacrifices and articulates so very eloquently for his misunderstood community.
Roger Fan is one of the most talented, charismatic and physically attractive actors I know. But it is his character…not the characters he plays but his own personal character…that give him the patina of greatness.
Thank you Roger.
- Kelvin Han Yee (Fan fan)
Love it Roger! Very nicely said. There are those that live by the thought, “well if I dont do it, someone else will, so why not me.” Thank you for standing up for what you believe in. Maybe if everyone had this outlook there would be no one to fill the need which hopefully would result in a positive change..
Great article Roger. It takes a lot of experience, deep insight and courage to come to these decisions. I’m proud to know you.
Thank you for sharing your experience so eloquently, Roger. Your experience and perspective is a model for all of us in the business to reflect upon and take to heart. There are no right or wrong choices in this particular situation, but the fact that you are standing up for what you believe in that is right for you as an actor, a person and an artist, is what makes it speak in volumes to those who may not relate to our experiences in this medium that we love so much and work hard to change the face of.
All my best,
James
My overall reaction to your post is much like that of the other commentors: it was a wonderful, well-thought out piece about race in Hollywood.
However, I would like to pose a question about a part that gave me pause: “When asked what it’s like to be an Asian American actor in Hollywood, my best answer is – imagine being a white guy, going to China to be an actor, and expecting to have a career like Chow Yun Fat. Good luck round eye.” Essentially, I’m wondering if you truly believe that being Asian in Hollywood is equivalent to being white in the Chinese movie industry. I wonder if you aren’t discounting racial hierarchies and racialized conceptions of beauty that are in play the world over.
I will use an example of an industry I believe to be a close cousin of acting, modeling. 50% of my female hapa friends are successful models in China, 0% of my female Chinese friends are models in China. I also live with a white roommate who was offered a contract with Ford Models out of high school. She turned it down to attend university, but sometimes we discuss what-if scenarios, and it almost always ends with “well, it’s too late now. I’m too old (she’s 23); I wouldn’t get any jobs…unless I based myself in China or Japan…”
Thus, given this elevation of white features as the ideal of beauty, I would contend that from the first, the atmosphere a hypothetical white actor in China would face is significantly different than that an Asian actor in Hollywood would face.
I’m not saying that white actors in China don’t face a different set of very problematic issues, neither am I saying that your piece wasn’t insightful or well-written. If you hadn’t chosen this particular analogy, I probably would not even have given it a second thought, but going to China and seeing the white and hapa women that dominate their ads and billboards is a constant source of stress for me. I am one of generations of Chinese women that wore hats not to keep the sun out of my eyes but so my naturally olive complexion wouldn’t become even darker, that pinched her nosebridge everyday hoping she could train it to be higher, and researched prices of eyelid surgeries; so it was jarring and troubling for me to see you not take into account the difference white privelege in Asia makes in an article I understood to essentially be about marginalization.
That was a great read! Much respect to you!
Thanks, Roger…well done and well said.
thank you Roger for allowing your NO to reverberate this far and wide.
disturbing. thanks for sharing your frustrations. hang in there and keep fighting.
I’m glad I’m not an actor. keep up the good work. btw – douchebag is the new retard.
What do koreans like to say??? that’s right… Fighting!
We love you, Roger—oh yes, we do.
You go Roger! A must read for everyone! Much respect from the G-man!
Aloha!
G
*applause, applause*
Wait, so you’re saying go with the flow and do the most stereotypical roles %150 (Long Duk Dong?) that are going to be seen by the public but say no to a table read that no one is going to see? I’m an American-Asian actor too and I see day to day the b.s., but I’m a bit confused on the point you’re trying to make as it seems a bit contradictory.
Very insightful post. Thanks for staying true to your beliefs, Roger. I always go out of my way to see movies with positive AA characters and you will always have my support!
Nice article Roger Fan! Well, I looked up at IMDB.com and this is what I found about the guy who wrote it – he’s sharing credit with a younger guy who is also Caucasian, named Carl Ellsworth – but I get the feeling this John Milius is the main guy. He’s in his sixties, a gun enthusiast, works with the NRA, and basically, he needs bad guys who are not American. So…while he could have remade it in a more interesting and appropriate manner using a “Home-made’ terrorist group…he went to the ‘foreign’ people.
John Milius is a screenwriter and director who came to prominence in the 1970s, when he was associated with Francis Ford Coppola and the pre-Star Wars (1977) George Lucas. Born on April 11, 1944 in St. Louis, Missouri, Milius was one of the first movie industry professionals to be a film school graduate, having matriculated at the University of Southern California. In 1967, Milius won first prize at USC School of Cinema-for his student film Marcello, I’m Bored (1966).
A gun enthusiast, Milius serves as a member of the National Rifle Association’s Board of Directors.
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Frequently casts Gerry Lopez.
Films often reflect his conservative political beliefs.
Trivia
Graduated from USC School of Cinema-Television (1967).
Is an avid gun collector.
Wrote the line, “Go ahead, make my day,” for Clint Eastwood’s “Dirty Harry” character in Sudden Impact (1983).
Wrote “U.S.S. Indianapolis” scene in Jaws (1975).
Member of the NRA Board of Directors from 1995-2001. He currently serves on the Public Affairs and Shotgun Committees.
Is a personal friend of the Coen brothers and was the inspiration for the character of Walter in the The Big Lebowski (1998).
Milius, an avid gun collector, insisted that part of his payment for writing Jeremiah Johnson (1972) be in antique weapons.
Through his work, on Rough Riders (1997) (TV), he was instrumental in causing President Theodore Roosevelt to be posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for acts of conspicuous gallantry on San Juan Hill.
Is one of the original founders of the Ultimate Fighting Championship.
Was Sergio Leone’s first choice to write Once Upon a Time in America (1984). But due to scheduling problems, and Leone’s struggle to acquire the rights of Harry Grey’s book The Hoods, Milius passed on the project.
Considers himself as a “zen anarchist”.
Despite his political beliefs, he is an avid fan of director Spike Lee.
His favourites films are Howard Hawks’ Red River (1948), Gillo Pontecorvo’s La battaglia di Algeri (1966) (aka Battle of Algiers), Raoul Walsh’s They Died with Their Boots On (1941), John Ford’s The Searchers (1956) and They Were Expendable (1945), Sam Peckinpah’s The Wild Bunch (1969), Akira Kurosawa’s Shichinin no samurai (1954) (aka Seven Samurai), Billy Wilder’s Sunset Blvd. (1950), Federico Fellini’s La dolce vita (1960), John Huston’s The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948), David Lean’s Lawrence of Arabia (1962), and Orson Welles’ Citizen Kane (1941).
Is a close friend of MMA legends Rorion Gracie and Rickson Gracie.
Was the inspiration for drag-racer John Milner (played by Paul Le Mat) in American Graffiti (1973).
Made an honorary member of the Sioux Nation, after his filming of The Rough Riders.
Turned down the role of Jack Lipnick in Barton Fink (1991).
Thank you so much for this. I’m out of the game now but I remember what it was like to be an actor of colour (Black in my case), and the seemingly never-ending indignities one faced. It’s enough to kill a person’s soul. Congratulations for making the RIGHT choice. Your agents will probably never understand; why should they, they’re white. Everybody who reads this should spread the word; make it harder for them to find a Stepin Fetchit of any hue. Maybe if they can’t find one, they’ll have to examine why they think they need on.
I don’t know you, but I am very proud. God speed!
Really sad to hear in this day and age, but truth is, it’s the same all over. When a HK studio makes a film, don’t the same white stereotypes apply to white actors here? He’s the sleazy white bloke at the bar picking up the chinese girl. He’s the unscrupulous boss or the rude tourist.
Fact is, you ARE living in their part of world so they make the rules. I know, it’s crappy. Sigh…
Still, I feel you did the right thing. Good on you!
This is a really well written post and commentary. Truthfully, I wasn’t your biggest “fan”, but in reading this I will now be happy for you when I see you on the small/big screen. I respect your choice and realize that it wasn’t an easy one in today’s economic environment. We all deal with these issues in our own way as Asians in America. Hollywood is a microcosm of society and so everything is magnified. It is a reflection of our hopes and dreams. Do remember, it was Hollywood that presented us with a Black President way before any of us thought it could ever happen. Stay positive Roger and you’ll be accepting a golden statue thanking your family and friends in front of millions…and it will all be worth it, and you’ll inspire a thousand kids just like you! Maybe I’ll be lucky enough to work with you someday! But only if you stay in the mix! The beauty of getting older….you realize that this decision will not make or break you as long as youre in it for the long haul.
Hi Roger,
Though I disagree with some of the things you said in this entry, I think you really did the right and noble thing by refusing them. I applaud your conviction and moral outlook.
Good luck on your future endeavors.
Roger
RESPECT is not always the easy road. And Self RESPECT is often a road of sacrafice and disappointment.
I know a person of your character and commitment must of really dwelled and hurt over this difficult position. And at the same time, you must have been very angry.
From a person who has seen your progression and development over the years, I applaud your courageous and difficult decision.
And as the eternal optimist, please believe that things always have a way or working out for the best.
Kudos Roger… and don’t give up yet.
Hollywood needs more people like you.
Hi Roger,
I was so moved by your post. It’s so hard to be an actor or writer and not get ridiculed or pigeon holed. Even by your own people sometimes…you know you don’t fit into a niche… Whatever.
Your honesty is uplifting…
Your internal strength breathtaking…
much love,
Kelly
Hey Roger-
I am 100% behind you and your decision.
These choices are not, and never will be easy, but your candor and thoughtfulness serve as a model for our entire community when it comes to determining our place in this business and American society.
Well done, my friend.
Mr. Fan
Thank you for a very well thought out blog. I’ve been a fan since I saw you in BLT and I admire the work that you do.
I’m an Asian-Amer actor in Chicago, and face many of the issues that you mentioned. Just to name drop – Leslie Uggams and I were talking about being a minority in this field, and she mentioned that she had to be not only a performer when she started, but a trailblazer as well. All I could think was, “I just want to be an actor.”
All the best, and in terms of the dentist choice, at least its the least common of the ‘go to’ Asian vocations
Nice article… although i am not an actor, i can certainly understand… thanks for your words of principle and authenticity… they are inspiring… hopefully, these stereotypes will be something of the past… just know that you have people who appreciate your integrity.
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Hey dude, very insightful and so true of the media. From a guy who is Asian and works BTL in the industry; it’s a long and hard unpaved road to equality and economic liberation. You are a stand-up guy!
Tell me what’s the difference between us and them!!? Because…we live here!
YOU ARE THE MAN!!
Cheer up!
Hold your head up high!
More opportunities will come!
If not… make some of your own!! (easier said than done i bet)
if all else fails… ask the asian guy who does the Shell, Cell Phone, etc. commercials how he got so lucky!!!!!
Great article. I especially like the William H. Macy story. That pretty much sums it up for Hollywood. Let’s continue to create our own projects where we can play roles we want to play – at the very least not have our color be a barrier to entry. Keep up the good work.
You are a brave man and should be honored for this. Thanks for taking one for the team and having the dignity to do what you feel is right, no matter what it leads to in the future. Someone’s gotta stand up to the racist Hollywood institution, and you have won me over with your thoughts and conviction. Thank you.
Thanks for re-affirming my belief that Hollywood is one of the two major openly racist industries in the US (the other being Madison Avenue). People shunned the KKK, yet embrace Hollywood everyday. I hope I can give you some words of encouragement, but I truly think the outlook is bleak for Asians and other minorities in Hollywood. Do with Dentistry, my friend.
No matter how liberal they claim to be, Hollywood is just one big party for white racists. Supporting Obama is just a way for them to justify them openly discriminating against minorities.
Whole new level of respect. You are a man who deserves better than what Hollywood is willing to give you.
Duuuuude. Roger Fan, I love you. And if you and your agents do part over this….oh well. I just lived a year without representation and shockingly the world did not fall apart.
To Lin:
What you say is true – HK films do stereotype Americans/Europeans.
But nature of the stereotyping is starkly different. Asians have been the butt of jokes and emasculated in American media for looking and sounding different. The “slimey white guy” you see in HK films is a referendum on British imperialism – a time many British would agree was not their proudest moment in history.
And there are even more important differences. Certain political considerations aside, residents of HK understand that they are defined by a common ethnicity, culture, language, history. Somewhere along the line, I bought into the that idea of the United States was designed by its founders to continually evolve into a nation that was owned by no single culture, language or religion. I bought into the idea that this country was owned instead by all that believed in that idea.
Seeing Asian Americans portrayed in popular media as “just another American” would signify that most Americans, if not all, believe that Asian Americans have equal status in our society. I believe that this is the standard this country should be held to. I’m glad it’s a higher standard than we expect of other cultures.
I hope people like Roger agree.
Roger, thumbs up for standing up for this.
Frankly, people who aren’t at the receiving end of this shit shouldn’t be able to say you’re “being too sensitive” about this issue.
China should be making movies where their number one foe is the evil-cowboy Americans.
When I read about the remake of Red Dawn, I was thoroughly disappointed in seeing that as usual they have to pick on Russians and Chinese as the bad guys.
Who writes this shit? Hollywood needs progress.
I hold a lot of respect for actors like you who reject roles like these because they just perpetuate the idiotic and racist stereotypes Hollywood has.
I like this. I like it a lot. It reads like one of my blogs (I know), and I totally feel for you. I’m proud you’ve managed to make a living, in my opinion, without selling out.
I was contemplating whether or not to pursue a career as an actor. I’m Filipino and I hope my look is just ambiguious (sp?) enough to get some Latina roles. I’m glad you didn’t punk out and cave.
I literally “lol’d” over the part where you said whip out your best Dong and rock it 150%, then mentally “That’s what she said”-ed. But I agree wholeheartedly. Even if you feel you accepted a role you were offered because you were typecast, do it well. Let them see the difference between who you are between takes and who they’ve stereotyped you to be. That Asian guy from The Hangover just popped into my head. He does a hilarious job. He knows why he’s being cast for these roles, and he accepts it because there are people like you who understand there’s no getting around it. Its tough for us yellow and beige to get roles unless we know martial arts or are willing to be the punchline or token.
Thanks for sharing, Roger (insert winking smiley throwing peace sign here)!
Hey, I don’t know you, but looking at your picture I disagree with your assessment of being more like Howdie Doodie and less like Tom Cruise. Hope you get some major role some day! Congrat.s on standing up to your agents. Hopefully they’ve learned something.
I too am appalled by the concept of this movie! This country does not need to have any more racism stirred up!
I saw and enjoyed Philip Kan Gotanda’s play Yankee Dawg You Die a number of years back (with Kelvin Han Yee – good seeing his comment above – at Berkeley Rep). It’s a shame that the attitudes that play explores still are so common. Good for you, Roger, and I also enjoyed BLT when I saw it on opening weekend in SF as well.
Roger, I think everyone here says pretty much what I wanted to express in regards to your integrity. This bring me to a different point which I haven’t heard from the comments, and that is, how disapointed I am with Tom Cruise. This also apply to Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Matt Damon, Denzel Washington, and all the other big Hollywood guys (gals too). They will not see Asians as a part of the American fabric (cotton), we will always be silk to them, eventhough we’re straight from the cotton fields ourselves. They all claimed to be citizens of the world by some form of charity works, adopting non-white children, standing for the Dalai Lama, etc., yet they can’t see through the racist rhetorics, written in black and white on the scripts? I’m disapointed that they just don’t get it or too scared to go against the studios in standing for their beliefs, or maybe maintaining that star status is vital to them more than anything else.
Roger, what you did is a step forward for Asians, yet I’m afraid there are dozens of other Asians who are willing to take us way back just so they can have their five seconds on the screens (you know who you are, my skin crawls everytime I see or hear you on the screens). I hope you won’t starve after this… a bowl of moist cooked rice $0.50. Good luck General!!
Good for you on passing on that gig. Your soul will thank you later…
It’s heartening to know that there are, in fact, people in the entertainment racket that still have principles. Thanks for that.
You hit it on the mark Roger. It was very courageous of you to turn down that role, because most Asian male actors, understandably, have the attitude that they have to take what they can get. I have heard a prominent AM actor say that AM’s just have to get exposure, even if it’s in archetypal roles, to pave the way for more dynamic, human roles. But every time an Asian male takes on the role of villain or foreigner or martial arts expert, he simply reinforces these archetypes, which become what America expects and wants to see in Asian males and Asians in general. So it just makes it worse for AM’s as a whole.
It’s strange that Hollywood would rather nurture and bend over backwards for white actors than take a proven actor with critically-acclaimed performances like you or John Cho in BLT. Like, they’ll take any number of British, Australian, or Irish nationals rather than Americans who happen to be Asian. For instance they took a British guy to play the lead in ’21′, the movie about gambling, and even paid for voice coaching so that guy could talk and act like an American–when they coulda taken an Asian guy, when the real-life character portrayed in the movie was Asian. It just shows how racist Hollywood is.
What do you think of Asian actors, both Asian Americans and Asian nationals, signing an agreement not to play the traditional villain or other archetype? It may sound like career suicide, but it could be argued that when anyone benefits, marginally, from a single role, like if you take that role in Red Dawn, everyone, including that actor, suffers because the kinds of roles available to all keep diminishing in type and number. That would force Hollywood to rewrite future characters, at least give them more human qualities, sort of like they give to Italian mobsters, who at least are allowed human dimensions.
Oh, another thing Roger: you said it’d be hard for a white guy to get to Chow-Yun Fat status in Asia. Not exactly true, because he doesn’t have to: Hollywood films enjoy huge success in Asia, unlike Asian films that have to be remade with white actors in Hollywood, like The Ring, Grudge, Infernal AFfairs (which became The Departed). So Asians have no prob seeing a white guy play a human being, being a leading man. Also, white people aren’t stereotyped and archetyped in Asia and the rest of the world, like minorities are insulted here. They play small roles, to be sure, in Asian films, but they don’t play cowboys and idiots.
Kudos to you for sticking to your principles. Your reasoning is absolutely sound.
I really admire you at this moment. I think this is a story that must be told again and again, so that it’s not merely a story of self-sacrifice, but a story of triumph.
I think it’s captures well the experience of being a person of color in America–there’s another whole level of complexity in the choices we make that go beyond our personal goals and desires.
However, as unfair as that may be, if we persevere and hold to our principles, I still believe in my heart that it makes us smarter, stronger and better human beings.
I tell my students each day that the sheer inequity of the society is crushing, but if we really try ten times harder and get ten times better, we will prevail.
Stick to your beliefs, and if you are never Tom Cruise, keep writing and be thankful that you are better than Tom Cruise.
Just wondering, what was offered? Was it an offer just to sit at a table-read, but not a role in the movie? Perhaps it might have been okay to do the table read, and provide input into the movie instead, and have actors such as Tom Cruise understand Asian issues. Change the movie in a way so that it’s more palatable, similar to what Justin Lin did with FF3.
Good on ya, sir. You took your own advice and rocked this post 150%. Good luck. I think you’d be a great dentist. After all, you’re used to working with germs.
Wow, Roger; well said. That was an excellent point about how one would feel after taking on these stereotypical roles: shame. The real shame should be on the major studios.
I hope your views get out to the mainstream media, that this movie’s screenplay is designed to stir up jingoistic and anti-Asian sentiments and that. Sadly, it will most likely go unnoticed and ignored by those who need to see it. It just reinforces my belief that Asian Americans have to take control of their own images and create their OWN films and tell their OWN stories.
Good luck and keep rockin’…
Amazing post. I wish our students today understood all that you guys have to deal with and what Hollywood is really like…thanks so much for the great insight. We would LOVE to have you in Chicago next time you’re in the area!
Ballsy move, Roger! I respect your point of view.
Integrity on your part.
And why the hell aren’t there any Asian American men on the American side in this movie?
Did we all get locked away in an internment camp or killed off by Swine Flu or something?
Roger, what an amazing post. You have gained a new fan. This was clearly one of those situations that, like you said, the cons outweighed the pros. I think it sucks that America always has to look to the “foreign” for the enemy. We have plenty of terrorist groups within the country to target. And it disgusts me that racial fervor and discrimination has to be continually stirred up against China. As if the country hasn’t been through enough already, lol.
I really like your statement about how if you do play the stereotype, play it 150%. It did make me think more about that scene in “The Hangover” when Ken Jeong went crazy with his Chinese mafia boss scene. I was pissed off by that scene but on second thought I guess he really gave it 150%. You’re right.. you might as well do it your very best and then show them what you’re really about off-camera, how different you are from the stereotype that you portray. I understand that sometimes those roles are all that’s there in the breakdowns.
I’m also in the entertainment business, or rather just starting out, and I feel you on every word. It kills me that not every Asian American knows and is aware of what it means to be AA in this industry, in this country. But I applaud your blog and well, good luck with your agents
You should definitely update on how that goes.
You should become a dentist because after posting this, you’re unlikely to get another job in hollywood. There is a reason you were only called in as a replacement reader… I’ve worked in a hollywood agency and from my experience, it has everything to do with lack of talent, not race. Your agents realize this but you clearly don’t. Once you come to terms with your lack of talent and quit hiding behind the race card, then maybe you could be a D list actor. Maybe. Or maybe you should pitch a reality show about yourself…
Like someone once said, being a Hollywood actor is like being a blood donor. What matters is not you, but your type.
Your post reminds me of the post a leading Korean actor wrote explaining why he turned down the main baddie role for for Die Another Day, which was taken by Will Yun Lee and Rick Yune. Your reasoning is the same as his post; yet I only wished you leaked more of the remake’s storyline based on your script read.
Roger, Thomas Tu directed me over here….I am glad you stood up for your principles. You rock.
OH SNAP! I GOT A SHOUTOUT FROM ELENA.
Also, thank you for being a positive role model for Asian Americans, even if a good number of us aren’t aware of the issues you touched upon.
Thank you again,
Thomas Tu (it’s really me)
P.S. “Wo de neck hen sore!”
Roger….reading this post makes me feel connected to you, but from 15 years ago, when I made a conscious choice not to pursue acting, for the same reasons you’ve outlined in your blog entry. It sucks totally to be viewed purely for how you look and who you represent, instead of who you are and what you can contribute. I hope you continue to fight the good fight in a place where value is based on dollar signs, instead of what’s in the hearts and minds of people. Here’s to roles where you are the type they are looking for because you are a damn good actor. Period.
You know what pissed me off about this? The fact that the part of the Asian cheerleader, Erica, has been turned into a white cheerleader. I’m also a Chinese-American actress, and it’s outrageous to me that a part WRITTEN for an ASIAN has been changed just like that. So now, all the Chinese in the movie are bad guys. Great.
Bravo Roger! But for every brave soul like you there are hundreds of hungry desperate Asian American actors ready to jump at the chance to do an asian accent role or worse…so fuck hollywood! One day we’ll live to see a change…hopefully
[...] wrote about his disheartening experience with the table read for the new remake of Red Dawn (read here). After calling out Tom Cruise, Roger has expressed his fear that he will be assassinated by ninjas [...]
This was pass to me by my writer friend… Good for you! Thumbs up! — Linda
Damn, I lost my long post that I spent a while typing out. Anyway, I was trying to say, Good for you, Roger. Good that you stuck to your guns and didn’t shuck and jive for lilywhite Hollywood.
It’s too bad your professional relationship with your agents is now strained, but perhaps it’s for the best. If they don’t understand why you wouldn’t take the role, they don’t seem to be your best representatives.
Hollywood needs to stop with its racist, largely anti-Asian BS. It seems males of Asian descent can only play gay guys, nerds, dorks, emasculated men, martial artists, foreign bad-guy soldiers, liquor-store owners, etc.
Keep it up, I hope you get better roles to truly display your skills. It’s really because of people like you that Asian-Americans are making more positive steps forward.
I’m tired of seeing Ken Jeong shucking and jiving for a dollar, playing in such trash as The Goods. Since when are hate crimes funny? It’s not as if he needs the money, he’s a doctor, and that makes his acceptance of humiliating roles even worse.
Anyway, I’ll keep supporting you in your positive roles.
[...] Is Ken Jeong even aware of the similarities of that scene to what happened with Vincent Chin, or has any thoughts and concerns of being portrayed the way he was? Given his current role and his most recent appearance in The Hangover, you have to wonder. He’s certainly capitalizing on his 15 minutes of fame, as evidence that I saw a TV trailer for another movie that Ken will be in opening on September 4th, All About Steve; I hope Ken doesn’t embarrass himself again by playing up to stereotypes or putting himself in compromising scenes. I liked Ken when I first saw him as a doctor in Knocked Up, playing a role that had nothing to do with him being Asian, but he needs to stop being the William Hung of movies and more like our Roger Fan. [...]
Hi Roger,
I’ve been following your career and comments from time to time and all I can say is keep up the good work and hold your chin up high.
As an old friend of mine said to me the other day: “Above the clouds the sun is shining”.
It is not always easy to be Asian or foreign born in the US or Europe – let alone as an actor. But if more people conduct themselves like you do there is hope for future generations.
I am not an actor, but a corporate guy. Nonetheless I apply the same principles that you speak off.
All the best and keep it up Roger! You are not alone.
Roger, it is always a pleasure reading your material and seeing your work. Being a Asian/American, a big fan of Red Dawn and being Chinese, I feel that your forward thinking and step of progression in abolishing the re-inforced force fed sterotypes that fills the need is AWESOME! I think you have the admiration and respect of many Chinese people for your stance and they might pick up some non-chinese Asian American actors to fill the roles or maybe they will revert to the old days and use caucasian actors with some facial modification to be “the Chinese communist killers”.
It is unfortunate that you may be entering a divorce, but sometimes if there are those who don’t row your boat the same direction you do into the sunset then they are dead weight and there are others who will help you row and they are your allies.
I wish that there were others like yourself who put their morals before their bank account, and for those that do I will group people together to donate food other than Top Ramen.
If there is anything I can do for you, please let me know as I am a ally who supports your cause.
We are just 2 decades away from “Majority-Minority America” and right at the beginning of the “Asian Century.” So, time is running out for those clowns in Hollywood to straighten out their act.
I lived in Hollywood in the 90s and often auditioned with Roger, John Cho and the handful of other Asian Americans and it’s just like Roger said. Liberals (what you think Conversative Republicans run Hollywood?) are pretty fucking racists against Asian people. Don’t believe me? Check this out. What if this remake was about Hispanic and black Muslim invaders? first off this would never happen because these 2 minorities are a favorite of liberals. Wake up Asian Americans and realize that there is racism in America perpetuated by assholes on the left. Peace
How about:
“Red Morning” –
“In a world where America misplaces its aircraft carriers and forgets where the triggers are to its nuclear weapons…”
“… comes the Red Morning…”
[Cue 3D graphics of Evil Chinese Santa Claus, dressed in red & white outfit, flying menacingly towards screen, on sleigh pulled by sinister robotic reindeer.]
“… evil & dangerous Chinese toys are coming to invade America. A horde of overworked, underpaid Chinese elves are cross over through Alaska, for back-pay and health benefits.”
“…To meet this red menace, comes… Sarah Palin to the rescue.”
[cue Sarah Palin in a swim suit, with 3 tiny American Flags patriotically placed, brandishing an assault rifle, saying, "I can see China from my house!" ]
“…’Turn back!’ Palin says, while firing away on full auto, ‘there’s no public health insurance here, and only minimum wage awaits for you!’”
Seems pleiotroph is suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Get out of the plantation you field chink. From the free chink
Hold it! I remember pleiotroph. He’s the guy in the picture with Miley “big gum” cyrus.
RJ, you are completely, utterly clueless. If you are trying to make it in the arts, you would be an utter fail because you fail to comprehend.
I could apply the same idiotic reasoning to you, by calling you a “field chink” because you use the slur “chink”.
The point of the joke was to show how idiotically racist the new Red Dawn movie would be, while showing that painting China as a threat is absurd.
Pleio, or whatever your name is. Cowards and slaves die a thousand deaths. Bruce lee wouldn’t have gone to this audition and neither did Roger. You on the other hand would have gone and licked their balls. I hope we meet one day because you offend me and you offend my family with you cowardice, you field chink. PS that’s what the liberals call you behind your back.