Why hasn’t there been an Asian American gangster film that’s successfully crossed over yet? There have certainly been plenty of them made—every year there seems to be at least one or two independently produced titles on the Asian American film festival circuit. And certainly if you look at other racial/ethnic communities in the U.S., they are well represented in this genre which suggests on some level that it should be a genre that our filmmakers could use to break through. Some examples: African American (Boyz N The Hood, Menace II Society), Latino (American Me, Scarface—albeit it had a non-Latino lead), Irish American (State of Grace, The Departed), Jewish American (Once Upon A Time In America) and, of course, Italian American (Mean Streets, Goodfellas).
But the gold standard for ethnic gangster films (or any gangster film, really) is The Godfather and its first sequel (which I’ve previously blogged about here). And today, I’d like to look at that masterpiece as a way to discuss the topic of Asian Americans and the gangster movie.
Before I start, I want to make clear the distinction between Asian and Asian American. There is a long tradition of excellent gangster films from Asia. Even if you look at the movies from just a handful of places like Hong Kong, Japan and Korea, you’ll find some of the best work in this genre anywhere in the world. But these are not Asian American.
I also want to exclude the numerous American movies where Asian gangsters exist solely to act as the generic villain (i.e. Rush Hour, Romeo Must Die). While you can argue that those could be considered Asian American gangster films, they’re usually not interested in fully examining that lifestyle with the depth that the movies I’ve listed above try to do.
I think I can safely say I’ve seen most of the gangster flicks made by our Asian American filmmakers and while some are good, I’ve found many to be disappointing. Issues of quality aside, what I’ve generally found missing from some of our filmmakers’ efforts is a sense of “authenticity.” You watch something like Mean Streets or Menace II Society and you feel the authenticity in every frame—both culturally and in the criminal lifestyle that’s being depicted. You feel like you’re seeing a world that’s lived-in. It feels real.
I’ve heard people make the model minority argument and say Asians just aren’t “threatening” enough to be the focus of an effective gangster picture, but I think that’s bullshit. Again, just look at how good the gangster flicks from Asia are and anyone who knows anything about real-life Asian American gangs know they are some of the most bad ass mofos around.
This isn’t to say “authenticity” can only come from those who are from that background. The two main creative forces behind The Godfather—director Francis Ford Coppola and writer Mario Puzo—had no direct experience with the Italian mob. Their film isn’t actually “authentic” in the strictest sense of the word either—the world of the movie is about as historically accurate as the world in Star Wars is. But it feels lived-in; it feels real.
What Coppola and Puzo focused on was what they knew well. And that was the Italian American immigrant story and culture, which like almost all immigrant stories is about family. When people talk about The Godfather, they may talk about moments like the horse’s head in the bed and Sonny’s violent bullet-riddled death—all cinematically amazing—but the reason the film is so revered and considered one of the greatest artistic achievements of the 20th Century is because at its heart, it’s not your average gangster film. It transcends that:
A boy comes to the United States to escape the difficult life he would have faced back in his motherland. He hopes to achieve the American Dream. He eventually starts a family and finds success, but realizes that as a first-generation immigrant his options are limited. But he works hard for his American-born children; hoping that doors will be open to them that weren’t for him. His greatest wish is that his favorite son will not have to go into the family business; that he may one day achieve a greater position in life—maybe become a Senator or even President. But that is not to be.
That’s essentially the story of The Godfather. But I bet that’s probably also a story that almost every Asian American reading this can personally identify with. In a way, it’s our story as well. If in some alternate universe, The Godfather had been made with an Asian American cast, I think it still would have been a huge success. By tapping specifically into his Italian American heritage, Coppola created a masterwork that became truly universal.
And I think there’s a lesson in that. Instead of trying to ape other movies, perhaps the key to making a great Asian American gangster film is to look specifically to our own heritage and history; to approach such a film not as your typical shoot ‘em up gangster flick, but as something else completely like Coppola did.
I’ve always loved gangster movies, but I have to say that until recently, I never had an interest in making something in the genre myself. But a few years ago, I saw The Departed and American Gangster almost back-to-back and I remember thinking, “Man, wouldn’t it be awesome if someone could tell a story like that but with Asian Americans”–something that epic and hardcore, but rooted in our history and culture. That thought led me to do a little bit of research and some of the things I’ve dug up are pretty amazing. It’s all there. The Asian American Godfather is just waiting to be made. It may just be a question of–who’s going to step up and do it?
(Photoshop courtesy of Offender David)






Yes.
Do it.
Yes you can!
Yes, this movie can be made, as well as a whole bunch of other really good concept movies using Asian Americans, but the bottom line is that the talent really needs to be there.
Asian Americans who really are career actors who can really fill the shoes of a leading man is what is needed. I feel that although there are a good amount of Asian American males trying to break into film… I haven’t seen one that I can really get behind and that really delivers a feel-it-to-the-core performance in a film.
I don’t know if it’s the lack of roles or a lack of talent, or a lack of Asians in general in the movie industry.
Maybe we’ll never really see Asians as leads in the mainstream until we’re further assimilated… when a lot of parents stop pushing their kids to be doctors and engineers… or until more kids start really rebelling from their parents and following their passions.
Maybe until the market for Asian American films grows into the mainstream with an interesting story with a new angle…
No idea, but it seems like a long shot… like the stars will have to align or something if we want to see it anytime soon.
Maybe in the next 30 years or so?
@thedly, you definitely raise some interesting points some of which I’ve addressed before which you can see here:
http://youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com/an-open-letter-to-asian-american-actors-regarding-movie-‘stardom’-part-i/
http://youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com/an-open-letter-to-asian-american-actors-regarding-movie-‘stardom’-part-ii/
Just read both posts, and I totally agree. Bottom line is that it really does come down to having people who can really deliver and who are passionate and truly serious about acting.
I don’t know much about the industry but it does seem like there’s a support system for Asian Actors and a good amount of opportunities out there.
I just hope the future leading Asian American man is… manly. lol.
Whoa. Sung and Roger need to wear tuxes and military uniforms all the time. Like, all.the.time. Just sayin’.
@Michelle, what no love for Chow Yun Fat and Ken? Come on, girl. Just sayin’.
Speaking of authenticity, I grew up and lived with Asian American gangs, they are nothing like Asian gangs from Asia. I have even played Asian gang bosses and thugs. They’re definitely actors who are out there who can bring it and are dedicated to a good project. I agree that we need to make a film that can really offer a great story along with great actors. I have a current script that needs good Asian actors and have good chops. Funding is the toughest part.
@ Phillip – lol Ok, them, too. Maybe the older ladies will appreciate that.
@ Phillip – lol Ok, them, too. Maybe the older ladies will appreciate it.
“…Just read both posts, and I totally agree. Bottom line is that it really does come down to having people who can really deliver and who are passionate and truly serious about acting.” No, sorry, it comes down to money.
We’ve got passion and drive and focus to boot. Talent too. If there was a commercial thirst out there for such a movie it would have been made and remade by now.
Variations thereof, several times.
I agree with DarrelKuni on the subject of commercial thirst, I just don’t see the mainstream audience being interested in it. But then agian, I know a lot of people I’m acquainted with that would watch movies that I won’t watch, like that ninja assassin movie.. so what I’m trying to say is if was a badass movie, the outcome might be pleasantly surprising.
By the way Philip, I have never meet a Korean guy with humor and insight like yours.. mostly humor, and I have to say its fun and refreshing, thank you for the post
@thedly
There are most definitely Asian Male and Female actors who can fit the bill. Good projects take lots more than just good actors–they need great organization, a director with a clear vision, a fantastic script, lighting and DP…and $$$.
I’m sure there would be plenty of people who would be willing to step up and do it–the question is How? How can it come together? Where will the $$$ come from? Who will produce and assemble the crew? Will we sit around and wait for the support to come from the major studios? Or will members of the AA community take the reigns to create the opportunity?
Oops. Sorry about the double post. Thought the first one didn’t go through.
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There needs to be a movie like that.
Especially if Yakusa tattoos are involved. Maybe a Japanese mafia vs. the Italian mafia movie?
Or just an excuse to have really lovely Asian dudes running around shirtless showing off interesting inkage… *sigh*
Hollywood keeps missing the boat. Someone write an awesome movie like that.
Wasn’t The Departed was an American remake of very successful HK film Infernal Affairs?
@K, yup, it sure was.
This movie will only happen when:
- ‘real’ AA gangs have their own unique cultural identities and ‘glamour’.
-they are sizable and a true threat outside their own communities; therefore adding to the plausibility.
-funding comes from these communities. Hollywood may distribute it, but they sure as heck won’t fund the production and promotion.
Ask yourselves this:
When was the last time you viewed a leading cast of Asian Americans in a Follywood picture?
When was last time you saw an AA in a lead role in mainstream Follywood picture? Or, TV, for that matter?
When was the last time you saw mainstream media frenzy over an AA actor, singer/musician, writer, director, etc?
When was the last time you heard of an AA taking America by storm?
Answering those questions honestly will reveal the necessity to seek funding and support independent of Follywood and it’s very close sibling the media.
The ‘competition’ only seeks to exploit, stereotype, and demean us.
Another problem is, whether you want to admit it or not, is, the U.S. population majority white, and ergo
indifferent, uncaring, or dare I say bigoted.
Think about how the mainstream media has managed to make blacks popular figures in the U.S.
You name it, movies, music, politics. So much, that sizable portions of Americans, regardless of race or ethnicity have become paying supporters of (my opinion) cRAP music. The influence and brainwashing is stifling. I have never in my life seen so many AA youths trying to emulate all of the negative behavior of hip hop culture!
I firmly believe the glamorization of ‘thug’ culture of any kind should be best left off the list of great cinematic endeavors.
I am an Asian American …. lady and damn it I want to play the Godfather! I am a badass mofo