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	<title>Comments on: Chinky Or Not Chinky: Asians + Rice Farmers = Math Whizzes</title>
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		<title>By: Nou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lolz... I found this post by accident, trying to research on becoming a rice farmer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lolz&#8230; I found this post by accident, trying to research on becoming a rice farmer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it seems kind of shady. I&#039;d need to read the chapter thoroughly to respond accurately, though.

I mean, rice cultivation isn&#039;t just a Chinese thing. How come Chinese kids are stereotyped as math whizzes while Filipino kids are mocked as sneakerheads? Doesn&#039;t jive, man.

Someone above me wrote about Jews and IQ, which makes more sense -  Ashkenazi Jews couldn&#039;t own land and were forced into knowledge work - finance if dealing with non-Jews, and being a scholar/rabbi (the Ashkenazic ideal was a man educated in the Scriptures.) Those values put a premium on brain work.

What does rice have to do with calculus? 

Of course, I&#039;d have to read the book before I made a definitive decision, so all this is provisional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it seems kind of shady. I&#8217;d need to read the chapter thoroughly to respond accurately, though.</p>
<p>I mean, rice cultivation isn&#8217;t just a Chinese thing. How come Chinese kids are stereotyped as math whizzes while Filipino kids are mocked as sneakerheads? Doesn&#8217;t jive, man.</p>
<p>Someone above me wrote about Jews and IQ, which makes more sense &#8211;  Ashkenazi Jews couldn&#8217;t own land and were forced into knowledge work &#8211; finance if dealing with non-Jews, and being a scholar/rabbi (the Ashkenazic ideal was a man educated in the Scriptures.) Those values put a premium on brain work.</p>
<p>What does rice have to do with calculus? </p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;d have to read the book before I made a definitive decision, so all this is provisional.</p>
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		<title>By: not chinky</title>
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		<dc:creator>not chinky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinese work hard at farming rice and doing math?

didn&#039;t some white dude just stepped into IKEA and said the modern Chinese are good at taking naps and learning Swedish interior decorating?


anybody can take a trip for themselves and see that China isn&#039;t a country of math geniuses scribbling away in their rice paddies all day.


just more of the stereotyping to whatever is convenient to serve the &quot;model minority stereotype&quot;


in fact, there&#039;s now another &quot;model minority&quot; of Africans and Afro-Carribbean immigrants who are supposedly even better at math...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese work hard at farming rice and doing math?</p>
<p>didn&#8217;t some white dude just stepped into IKEA and said the modern Chinese are good at taking naps and learning Swedish interior decorating?</p>
<p>anybody can take a trip for themselves and see that China isn&#8217;t a country of math geniuses scribbling away in their rice paddies all day.</p>
<p>just more of the stereotyping to whatever is convenient to serve the &#8220;model minority stereotype&#8221;</p>
<p>in fact, there&#8217;s now another &#8220;model minority&#8221; of Africans and Afro-Carribbean immigrants who are supposedly even better at math&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jiob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He cites Japan, Singapore, South Korea as Asian countries that are good in Math.  These countries fit into his nice little theory because they have 1:  rice farming culture 2: Language that is more friendly dealing with basic math.

But he ignores the fact that schools in Singapore teach math in English, not Chinese, which purportedly gives Chinese speakers an advantage on math study.  Also, he conveniently omits other rich-farming Asian countries that aren&#039;t good in match.  Laos and Cambodia, for examples, aren&#039;t exactly math powerhouses. 

More ludicrously, he suggests that Northern Chinese, who have a history of farming wheat, may not be as good in match as Southern Chinese.  Alas, not all the Southern Chinese are good in math, either.  People descended from Sze Yup, Canton(Xinhui, Taishan, Kaiping and Enping in the Pearl River Delta) aren&#039;t as good in math as other Cantonese because their ancestors didn&#039;t have a lot of good land to farm rice.  He offered no solid evidence or whatsoever to back up this assertion. 

Then, as other commentators have pointed out, Gladwell fails to distinguish the difference between Asians and Asian Americans.  There are many obvious reasons as why so many Asians or Asian Americans excel in math other than the exotic &quot;rice culture&quot; and &quot;language&quot; theory, which doesn&#039;t hold and water under further examination.  But then again, if he illustrated the obvious, his book wouldn&#039;t have sold as well as it did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He cites Japan, Singapore, South Korea as Asian countries that are good in Math.  These countries fit into his nice little theory because they have 1:  rice farming culture 2: Language that is more friendly dealing with basic math.</p>
<p>But he ignores the fact that schools in Singapore teach math in English, not Chinese, which purportedly gives Chinese speakers an advantage on math study.  Also, he conveniently omits other rich-farming Asian countries that aren&#8217;t good in match.  Laos and Cambodia, for examples, aren&#8217;t exactly math powerhouses. </p>
<p>More ludicrously, he suggests that Northern Chinese, who have a history of farming wheat, may not be as good in match as Southern Chinese.  Alas, not all the Southern Chinese are good in math, either.  People descended from Sze Yup, Canton(Xinhui, Taishan, Kaiping and Enping in the Pearl River Delta) aren&#8217;t as good in math as other Cantonese because their ancestors didn&#8217;t have a lot of good land to farm rice.  He offered no solid evidence or whatsoever to back up this assertion. </p>
<p>Then, as other commentators have pointed out, Gladwell fails to distinguish the difference between Asians and Asian Americans.  There are many obvious reasons as why so many Asians or Asian Americans excel in math other than the exotic &#8220;rice culture&#8221; and &#8220;language&#8221; theory, which doesn&#8217;t hold and water under further examination.  But then again, if he illustrated the obvious, his book wouldn&#8217;t have sold as well as it did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinky!

I think the 2nd comment about parents pushing their kids into fields where English is not required hit the nail on the head. All throughout my education my parents would tell me careers in, say, writing would doom me to a life of poverty. Which is not entirely untrue, in retrospect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinky!</p>
<p>I think the 2nd comment about parents pushing their kids into fields where English is not required hit the nail on the head. All throughout my education my parents would tell me careers in, say, writing would doom me to a life of poverty. Which is not entirely untrue, in retrospect.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is that asian kid hailing the third reich in that photo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is that asian kid hailing the third reich in that photo?</p>
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		<title>By: Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always attributed my math skillz to my individual ability and my dad&#039;s implicit and explicit pressure.  On a more superficial note, did you all know that the kid with the backpack on the Time magazine cover above is none other than Masi Oka (aka Hiro from Heroes)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always attributed my math skillz to my individual ability and my dad&#8217;s implicit and explicit pressure.  On a more superficial note, did you all know that the kid with the backpack on the Time magazine cover above is none other than Masi Oka (aka Hiro from Heroes)?</p>
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		<title>By: kobukson</title>
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		<dc:creator>kobukson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Gladwell&#039;s rice farming theory is better suited to explain the famed &quot;Asian work ethic&quot; rather than mathematical abilities. I also think Russians, Eastern Europeans, and Jews tend to be superior in mathematical abilities in terms of academic research at higher levels. Furthermore, an a personal level, I know plenty of Asian-Americans who are a complete disgrace to the stereotype of Asians being good at math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Gladwell&#8217;s rice farming theory is better suited to explain the famed &#8220;Asian work ethic&#8221; rather than mathematical abilities. I also think Russians, Eastern Europeans, and Jews tend to be superior in mathematical abilities in terms of academic research at higher levels. Furthermore, an a personal level, I know plenty of Asian-Americans who are a complete disgrace to the stereotype of Asians being good at math.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, very explanatory.

I agree with the monosyllabic counting, it certainly helps to memorize. I learnt the multiplication table when I was 5 years old, sure the naming system helped a lot, but only did it cause I was somehow encouraged.

Don&#039;t think it could be called and &quot;built-in advantage&quot;, I would say &quot;head start&quot;, cause when equations get harder, the field is pretty much leveled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, very explanatory.</p>
<p>I agree with the monosyllabic counting, it certainly helps to memorize. I learnt the multiplication table when I was 5 years old, sure the naming system helped a lot, but only did it cause I was somehow encouraged.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think it could be called and &#8220;built-in advantage&#8221;, I would say &#8220;head start&#8221;, cause when equations get harder, the field is pretty much leveled.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good point, Ziggy.  What Gladwell does in his book is make the mistake of interchanging Asians and Asian Americans as if they are the same, but we know better.  He doesn&#039;t really touch on what I think may be the real reason that Asians in American excel in math (and if you look at just the stats, have to admit that we do).  

Even though some of our families have been here for over 100 years, most of us are still immigrants or just a generation removed (in the last census, the majority of Asians were foreign-born) and most Asians have historically come to America to provide better lives for their children or families.  It makes sense that there would be an emphasis on excelling in math (and science) since that is the field where no English proficiency is required, where to be American or Asian doesn&#039;t factor in to how well you do since the concepts are the same no matter where you are.  It&#039;s the most logical, safest path to take if you want your kids to succeed in America.

I&#039;m sure there are other factors as well, but I think this is one of the main factors in this country for why Asians may be math whizzes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point, Ziggy.  What Gladwell does in his book is make the mistake of interchanging Asians and Asian Americans as if they are the same, but we know better.  He doesn&#8217;t really touch on what I think may be the real reason that Asians in American excel in math (and if you look at just the stats, have to admit that we do).  </p>
<p>Even though some of our families have been here for over 100 years, most of us are still immigrants or just a generation removed (in the last census, the majority of Asians were foreign-born) and most Asians have historically come to America to provide better lives for their children or families.  It makes sense that there would be an emphasis on excelling in math (and science) since that is the field where no English proficiency is required, where to be American or Asian doesn&#8217;t factor in to how well you do since the concepts are the same no matter where you are.  It&#8217;s the most logical, safest path to take if you want your kids to succeed in America.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are other factors as well, but I think this is one of the main factors in this country for why Asians may be math whizzes.</p>
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